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INDYCAR 2013

Postby f1datavis on Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:31 am

So Hinchcliffe takes his first IRL win of his career at St Petersburg, just in front of Castroneves, somewhat a St Pete specialist.

Power, Hunter-Reay and Franchitti pretty much nowhere (Dario hit the wall, doh, Power stricken by another car while under caution).

Di Silvestro looked pretty good, didn't she? In third until tires cried enough and went off the cliff. Kinda similar to a circa Mar 2012 F1 Pirelli...
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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby Lawrence on Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:31 pm

Thanks for starting the thread. Haven't gotten engaged with IRL yet this season.
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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby f1datavis on Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:28 pm

So I've not seen much Indy this year apart from the 500; however Dario's crash last weekend got it back in the news. DF is a legend, and it was a horrible, nasty crash with Sato into the catch fence at high speed. Dario is one seriously lucky boy.

IRL just too dangerous these days, or just unlucky? No real reason why Webber's Valencia FlugTag extravaganza couldn't have been the same or worse outcome... Or Daly's crash in Monaco in GP3.
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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby Lawrence on Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:08 pm

I haven't been watching Indy Car much lately either. In part because it is the same drivers and teams year after year.

Indy Cars are definitely more dangerous than F1. F1 has not had a fatality since 1994, although Pirelli is working hard to correct that. Indy car has had several (four since 1994 off the top of my head). Oddly enough, half of them have been on road courses. It is generally accepted that ovals are more dangerous. Ovals do produce lots of foot breaking and leg breaking crashes, as it is almost impossible to design a car that will completely protect you at the speeds that are at almost all the time. But, since 1994, F1 has also been relatively shy of major injurious crashes, and they have been particularly sparse in the last 10 years.

Indy Car is vastly safer than it used to be (say back in the 1950/1960s when 1/4th to 1/3rd of the drivers did not survive their careers), but it has not gotten as safe as F1. I am not sure why F1 has had a better track record for safety on road courses than Indy Cars though. I suspect the main reason is that F1 cars don't run near each other as much. But yea, F1 not having any fatalities in 19 years probably owes a little to luck.

Hopefully we should see Dario back, and maybe with Ashley Judd by his side again. Maybe cousin Paul di Resta will be heading to Indy Cars.
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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby Lawrence on Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:06 pm

Oh, in case you missed it, Ashley Judd and Dario Franchitti are back together again....oh and she is not running for the U.S. senate.
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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby f1datavis on Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:26 pm

That crash not all bad then. Silver lining, and all that.
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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby Cougar on Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:56 am

I know little about the American Motor Racing scene, so please correct me if I'm way off the mark.

Formula 1 usually has about 20 or 22 cars on the grid, whereas INDY fields a grid of about 33 cars, therefore a lot more traffic / congestion in INDY racing. With 33 cars racing on the INDY Oval tracks there is very little margin for error.

I can't comment on the INDY road tracks as I know nothing about them. Over the years F1 have built new tracks, and modified some of the existing tracks, to incorporate a lot more (and bigger) run - off areas to make them safer. Should a car leave the track the driver has more chance of walking away from the accident unhurt.

My conclusion as to why I think INDY racing appears to be 'more dangerous' than F1 is due to the number of cars participating 22 F1's vs 33 INDY cars = more traffic / congestion.
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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby f1datavis on Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:09 pm

I think you are on the money Cougar.

There are more cars on the track, and the NASCAR Ovals are positively suicidal, just too small. After Weldon's crash in Vegas, IRL has just a few oval races a year, one of which is Indy itself - if you are not into IRL, give yourself a Sunday in July watching it - well worth 2 or 3 hours for the sheer spectacle. Indy is huge, F1 only used a quarter of the course.

The majority of Indy's races are therefore now on road courses, but predominantly street courses with little run off. It has taken something out of the sport though. Indy cars are monstrous methanol beasts capable of 230, 240 mph and they frankly look a bit silly lumbering around Monaco like bends. Ironically, it is pathetically slow as they have no aero grip at all and it looks a bit rubbish. They also have (relatively) little braking power (no aero drag like an F1 car), which just adds to the misery.

Actually, thinking about it, IRL would do well on several of F1's pleasure palaces - Spa, Monza, Silverstone et all - speed plus space.

I've not watched much IRL this year, and mostly because it is quite dull since the after effects of Vegas 2011. NASCAR is much more fun...
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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby Lawrence on Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:43 pm

Cougar wrote:My conclusion as to why I think INDY racing appears to be 'more dangerous' than F1 is due to the number of cars participating 22 F1's vs 33 INDY cars = more traffic / congestion.


Only Indy has 33 cars, as is the tradition there. Most of the early races of the season had 25 or 26 cars qualifying.
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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby Lawrence on Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:36 pm

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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby Lyria on Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:03 pm



Yes I had read about this, I am not sure if it's a good idea or not though. I just hope he doesn't kill himself out there!! I also don't expect him to win either, but good luck to him I say :thumbs:
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Re: INDYCAR 2013

Postby Lawrence on Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:12 pm

Well, Indy tends to favor the experienced and more thoughtful drivers. It is a long race and more strategic than most. It also can really bite you if you overdrive it. So someone like Mario Andretti has won more Indy car races than all but one driver (A.J. Foyt) but only won Indy once.

I don't expect Jacques to be in the running for a win but I expect a decent accounting for himself. He doesn't really seem to know what to do with himself since he left F1.
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