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Haas F1

Postby Lawrence on Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:34 pm

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Re: Haas F1

Postby Sakae on Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:54 pm

If I have correct understanding of his situation, than he did not built chassis nor PU, so yes, two years might be enough for him to hit the track with all things assembled, and when Feb 22 comes, then we all learn how ready he really is. Who knows, we might be surprised. All things aside, he is really a smart man.
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Re: Haas F1

Postby Lawrence on Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:37 pm

Sakae wrote:All things aside, he is really a smart man.


Except when he gets 16 months in prison and a $75 million fine for tax evasion.
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Re: Haas F1

Postby Paolo 2 on Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:43 am

Lawrence wrote:
Sakae wrote:All things aside, he is really a smart man.


Except when he gets 16 months in prison and a $75 million fine for tax evasion.


on the other hand you could always argue that it's possible that he evaded far more than that :hihi:
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Re: Haas F1

Postby Lawrence on Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:06 am

Paolo 2 wrote:on the other hand you could always argue that it's possible that he evaded far more than that :hihi:


The problem is that once you get caught, they tend to audit everything you do. But part of the problem was that instead of just fessing up and paying the back taxes owed (which I gather were around $20 million)....he ended up trying to cover it all up and come up with some elaborate lie to explain it all away, which is why he ended up serving jail time. It does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about the guy. I can produce a long list of people who were very successful in one aspect of business who failed in others or at other things not closely related.
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Re: Haas F1

Postby Paolo 2 on Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:01 am

Lawrence wrote:
Paolo 2 wrote:on the other hand you could always argue that it's possible that he evaded far more than that :hihi:


The problem is that once you get caught, they tend to audit everything you do. But part of the problem was that instead of just fessing up and paying the back taxes owed (which I gather were around $20 million)....he ended up trying to cover it all up and come up with some elaborate lie to explain it all away, which is why he ended up serving jail time. It does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about the guy. I can produce a long list of people who were very successful in one aspect of business who failed in others or at other things not closely related.


what's interesting is how F1's reaction to such issues has changed over time: 20 years ago Andrea Mode was kicked out of F1 because the tax authorities had their cars impounded during a race week end, then we had the Arrows saga and people were embarassed but nothing happened (until Arrows was declared bankrupt). Nowadays any embarassement has gone, we all take as everyday life that fact that some team or other has their cars impounded during a race week end, the problem is no longer how to get rid of someone who might be bringing the sport into disrepute but rather how to keep them in F1 no matter what, contracts are worth less than the paper that they're written on, there is no ethics of any sort and we have come to a situation that if you don't have a criminal record then you are not deemed worthy of the status of new entrant into F1... :roll:
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Re: Haas F1

Postby Lawrence on Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:25 pm

Paolo 2 wrote:Nowadays any embarassement has gone, we all take as everyday life that fact that some team or other has their cars impounded during a race week end, the problem is no longer how to get rid of someone who might be bringing the sport into disrepute but rather how to keep them in F1 no matter what, contracts are worth less than the paper that they're written on, there is no ethics of any sort and we have come to a situation that if you don't have a criminal record then you are not deemed worthy of the status of new entrant into F1... :roll:


Perfectly said.
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Re: Haas F1

Postby Sakae on Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:15 am

Lawrence wrote:
Sakae wrote:All things aside, he is really a smart man.


Except when he gets 16 months in prison and a $75 million fine for tax evasion.


There is enough evidence around us, that people could be both, smart and not morally upright, notwithstanding my increasing difficulty with understanding of new morality definition benchmarks these days. Law of ethics used to be written by men with religious principles in their minds, whereas today, "new us", are incline to follow religion set forth by money-lenders, their laws, whilst TV networks editorializing their wisdom from bully pulpit, singing carefully scripted hymns. World continues to change, and perhaps some might judge Haas merely unlucky for getting caught, just as many are unlucky on the casino-tables of Wall Street, or Las Vegas. Life goes on.
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Re: Haas F1

Postby Lawrence on Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:19 pm

Sakae wrote:There is enough evidence around us, that people could be both, smart and not morally upright, notwithstanding my increasing difficulty with understanding of new morality definition benchmarks these days.


Putting ethics aside...about the only way you end up in jail for tax evasion in the U.S. is if you are really headstrong and do something dumb like obstruct the investigation (witness tampering, etc.). If you read about this case, you will see that he went well out of his way to obstruct the investigation. It was stupid, and it was done by a seasoned businessman who should have known better.
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Re: Haas F1

Postby Sakae on Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:36 pm

I am not defending Haas's legal problems, however it has occured to me, that a guy is very good (I use a term smart) in manufacturing.
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Re: Haas F1

Postby Lawrence on Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:44 pm

Sakae wrote:...that a guy is very good (I use a term smart) in manufacturing.


Yes, but that does not necessarily translate over to all aspects of business and life. I am always interested in where these guys have failed and why. That sort of tells you something.
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Re: Haas F1

Postby Lawrence on Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:21 pm

Car launch video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGXvf_3RtTI

Don't like the color scheme.
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